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| Anonymous | Robert Rowland Smith on Derrida on forgiveness | 3 | Oct 19 2008, 8:33 PM EDT by Anonymous | ||
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Thread started: Sep 22 2008, 1:02 AM EDT
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Jack Derrida, a french man, has brought a interesting and a new out look on the meaning of forgiveness. He started his view by first pointing out that the rhetoric of forgiveness is political and its not as straight forward as we think. He believes that forgiveness is impossible to achieve because to first forgive someone they must be forgivable, but if that person is forgivable then why/ do we have to forgive them for. Although it might sound weird at first, his belief about forgiveness does hold truth:
"if you forgive something that is intrinsically forgivable that's not a great deed, the great deed is when you forgive by definition unforgivable but that's impossible so therefore, the very thing worth forgiving is you can't forgive." [Derrida's paradox] in other words, when you are able to forgive someone for the unforgivable such as murder, rape, genocide..etc with out stating a price or reason and with the knowledge/understanding that the individual may act upon those acts again that is forgiveness. When i first heard this bite, i thought that it didn't make sense, but after listening to the arguments and the explanation Derrida gives the word forgiveness meaning. Although we forgive people everyday like the example Mr. Rowland gave, "if you were to steal something from me depending on the amount and how soon you'd repay me. I'd eventually forgive you." But what meaning does that type of forgiveness have compared to, for example your friend steals $10,000 and doesn't repay you. and you still forgive them. This type of forgiveness is what Derrida means, when you're able to forgive someone for doing harm to you or anyone else, and yet to forgive them without asking them to change, ask for justice or any sort of reason that is the true meaning of forgiveness. And I'd have to say too believe that's the truth meaning of forgiveness. |
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| Anonymous | Paradoxes - Ryan Johnson | 0 | Oct 15 2008, 8:29 PM EDT by Anonymous | ||
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Thread started: Oct 15 2008, 8:29 PM EDT
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Ryan Johnson
The podcast on paradoxes featuring Peter Cave gives many examples of paradoxes that intrigue philosophers. Some are stronger than others. By this I mean that some of the examples seem to be a bit of a stretch when it comes to an idea that will take a philosopher some time to think about. The first example of Achilles and the tortoise is one of the weaker paradoxes. I understand the concept that Achilles supposedly cannot ever overtake the tortoise because by the time he gets to the point where the tortoise “was”, the tortoise “will be” somewhere else further down the line. This to me sounds just like a head start. The idea that motion cannot exist because you can never catch the tortoise is almost silly. Achilles moves because I see him move. End of story. I don’t know if there are any practical applications for any of this, but some of it is interesting to think about. The other examples- the barber who shaves himself but only shaves people who do not shave themselves, the ass who is faced with a choice between two identical options and can’t decide because one is clearly no better than the other- are the kind of stuff that people with a lot of time on their hands might fret over. My reaction to most of these are – the barber shaves himself, get over it; the ass should stick his face in some hay and just eat already. The idea that anyone can get bogged down in thinking about these issues is odd to me. Perhaps I just see the world a little more clearly. I would have thought that a philosopher would have been able to do that, but apparently they like to think for long periods of time about problems that are not exactly problems and that would never occur in the real world. The barber would naturally shave himself because that is what he does. The ass would never allow himself to starve when there is so much good food to eat. And Achilles would pass the tortoise eventually. |
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| EHerrera | Alex Neil - The Pradox of Tragedy | 0 | Oct 15 2008, 4:07 PM EDT by EHerrera | ||
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Thread started: Oct 15 2008, 4:07 PM EDT
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Alex Neil explains the paradox between tragedy and the feelings it invokes of pity and fear and pleasure. He states that at the same time as you are watching a performance you can experience pity and fear and pleasure. Pity and fear come from what is happening on the stage and the pleasure comes from the artistry of how the play is being acted.
I do agree with his point. There has been times when I am watching a movie and I am feeling bad for what is happening in the situation and then later, when thinking back on the movie, I experience pleasure over the cinematography or how wonderfully the actor was able to relay the message. Thinking about it it almost seems a bit perverse to think that you can get pleasure out of a tragedy. I believe that the pleasure does not come out of the tragic moment but out of the way it was portayed. |
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